Men who just wear women's clothes for whatever personal reasons, who are identified as crossdressers, transvestites, etc., are not transgender women. They're men who wear women's clothes. It's not an identified medical or psyhological condition anymore, it's just what some men like to do.

These men should not be recognized in the same definition as the whole array of women who identify as transitioning women, androgynous women, gender-queer or variant women, or however they identify as. Women are women by their own gender identity.

Men who just wear women's clothes identify as men, live as men, aren't required to get psychological or psychiatric therapy for gender identity diagnosis, aren't required to be under medical care for their transition, don't go through the process to change their legal documents to be recognized as women.

Men who just wear women's clothes are just men who like to wear women's clothes, nothing more. And they certainly are not transgender women! Let's drop the pretense for the bullshit line they want to believe they're something they're not.

They don't want to be or live as women, they just like the clothes. They should not be included in the definition of transgender women, should not be protected under laws for transgender women, and should not be treated by society as women.

The transgender community is doing themselves and all transgender women a disservice by including them under the umbrella as "gender presentation" because they are exactly what conservatives use as examples of "men in dresses" to discriminate against all transgender women.

Transgender women have it hard enough to get through their life, they don't need to be lumped into an identification with crossdresser, transvetites, drag queens, female impersonators, etal. Transgender women need to be separate from them for their own identity as women.

The best thing the transgender community can do is jettison them from the community. This has happened in some cities and states where they're treated separate, as legally recognized women, and achieved these laws and rights they would not have gotten otherwise.

I don't see men who just like to wear women's clothes as women in any manner. Whatever their "feminine side" they want to express is irrelevant, it doesn't make them women by any measure when they take the clothes off and they are physically men, identify as men, and live as men.

Clothes don't make men women. The person's gender identity does.