Do Not Argue

After an exchange of words with some people, ok, a gay man and a transman, on the previous post, I learned you do not argue with them about gay and trans issues and people, especially if you do not say you are gay or you're trans. They have views on the issues and about people which seems to exclude anybody else no matter who you are, all the knowledgeable friends you have, or all the resources you read and learn.

In short, if you're not gay, you don't know anything about them, and if you're not trans, which may mean transmen because I don't often hear this from transwomen, you don't know anything about them. It doesn't matter, you're just not right, and so you're obviously wrong. They shut their mind and then open their mouth to where you almost want to give them the middle finger and say, "...you too.", because that's what they're telling you over their words.

Ok, an exaggertion because it's really a few of them who loves to sit there and argue for their view, making assumptions about you, interpreting your words differently, and making their assertions of what's right and why you're not. In the end I just finally said with Snagglepuss always said, "Exit, stage left.", and left.

It just seems no matter what you want to say, and even give you latitude to make a mistake and correct yourself or change your thinking and words, they won't allow it, or some may but some will go back to your original words. They don't seem to enjoy conversations where people think out loud or enjoy playing with the ideas.

Yeah, I'm over reacting a little because I didn't expect to be pounced on for asking some questions. At least they could have said, "With respect to [insert quote], is that what you really meant?" Or, "Have you thought about ....?" In other words ask questions to clarify, learn and enjoy the conversation.

They prefer to just pounce and argue until someone thinks they should referree the thread and usually badly and not helping matters, but simply saying to everyone enough is enough. I've seen this on transgender forum when you like to engage in conversations about an issue or whatever to expand it to the larger world. And yes, I got booted by arguing with the moderator who was employing a double standard.

That's what I've found on these forum, common blogs, etc. They become very myopic about the gay or transgender community and they forget it resides inside the greater cultural and social community in this country, so it ends up being not unlike the old Bush logic, you're either for us and our view of things or you against us.

It doesn't matter if you're for them but disagree on some issues, it's an all or nothing deal. Take it or leave it. LGBT Texas mentality. And you're against us, according to them but not you, don't come in and especially don't speak up. And then they wonder why the straight and non-trans people who want to help and support them walk away shaking their heads?

Like piss us off and you then can say we're the enemy? Like then you can claim it's a fight for your rights against us? But then you want our help later for some issue to help you?

What's the answer? Yeah, right. They're a self-fulling prophecy for themselves. See, we don't get support from the rest of the world.

Like you keep pissing off the rest of the world? And that helps how? And by all means do not say anything with a smile on your face or your tongue in your cheek. Humor isn't something they understand from "outsiders", only them.

They forget the first rule, be a human being. And when they decide to be one, then I'll listen.